总觉得女人的过分美丽真的是一种罪过——你可以如此的肆意,哭的最无辜,笑的最灿烂。
更可以让无数的男人为你不惜一切,连生命都不要。
真是不知道那些家伙在想些什么,仅仅为了你的美丽么?
仅仅,或者这个词用的很无耻,这样一个迷人的女子,连我都认真的爱她,何况那些男人?
然而女孩对女孩的爱是完全不同的吧……没有看上她的脸,不会嫉妒。
这种透明的爱和喜欢,是只想着迷乱的男人所无法感受的……女爱是为大爱,也可能被骂是les,无畏。
可是海伦啊,我又是这么恨你…………当女孩子已经只能靠着男子生存时,她就丧失了自己的本性了吧?
即便你再灿烂的对着我笑,总还是少了什么的……当命运的指轮落到你丈夫里,当你母亲背转身不再要你时,你是否想过反抗呢?
特洛伊完了,帕里斯不在了,你被你丈夫拖回去的时候,我真的看到回身看我的你,静静的流泪了……佳人倾城……
借给看过彼特饰演的特洛伊的好友,觉得还是这个更好些,起码在选角色上让人比较信服。
奥兰多饰演的主人公未免太瘦弱了,而这部的演员,包括海伦在内,都给人无比深刻的印象。
因为有对比,所以觉得还不错,推荐之。
有预见未来的能力似乎未必是好事,片子里帕里斯的姐姐,因为企图用她预见的悲剧说服父亲,试图改变未来,却换来被自己父亲关进天牢的凄惨情状……而绝大多数的人无法预知,因为无法预知而总盼望着更美好、更幸福,而不肯珍惜身边拥有的……海伦从那个抓阄得来的丈夫身边逃开,为了追寻她的真爱,企图挣扎着得到幸福……于是,海伦和帕里斯相携相守的愿望给战争制造了借口,十年的煎熬和血腥的浩劫由此开始……十年,她和他朝夕相处、甜蜜温馨的十年,却是特洛伊城处于敌人窥视中惶惶度日、城外爱琴海士兵背井离乡、远洋争战备受折磨的十年……最后屠城时,士兵们近乎病态的虐待被俘的弱民,特洛伊城果然如最初的预言一般,成为一片废墟……而,这战争最初的导火者又是怎样的结局呢?
帕里斯在暗夜里冷不丁冒出来的敌人数刀抽刺当场惨死……海伦被敌人强暴,没有一丁反抗的余地,最后的最后,竟然回到了起点——依然跟随着她不爱的丈夫……亲手杀死自己女儿祭神发动战争的,最终却被自己的妻子杀死……还有斯巴达王为了一份迷恋,变成兄弟发动战争的棋子,经历十年的煎熬和等待,换来的是,亲眼看着兄弟强暴自己心爱的女人……我在想,如果人们早知道最终的结果,他们还会去挣扎么?
如果海伦知道她的追寻会让自己心爱的人惨死,而最后依然只能跟随自己原本的丈夫,她难道不会选择把真爱和希望珍藏于心,给所有无辜的人一份安宁与和平么?
Actually, I firstly knew about the well-known myth,Troy,by reading comics when I was young,and that was also the first time I read a western myth with so many heroes.I felt the cruelty of wars and the inequality between human and divinity from the pictures and brief words sideward.To be honest,at that time,it was quite difficult for me to remember those heroes’ names because their names were too long and awkward to read.After I begun to learn English, I acquired that every name of ancient Greek people is of great meaning linked to their parents’ expectation,personal characters,experience or some other things.For example,Helen,the name of the heroine,means light in Greek.Reading their name in English is more smooth.When I can read the literature work of the myth and reflect it more deeply with age.The movie,Helen of Troy,shows us a famous Greek myth,which embraces intense desire,strong request for humanism,and deep love,apart from tragic wars.Though actors may be not able to reprise mythical figures in the movie perfectly because there are unique images of heroes and females in everyone’s heart and the movie don’t reflect the mythy in accordance with the literature completely,the movie reveals themes above excellently.The virtual origin of the war is intense desire.Hera,Athena and Aphrodite were all eager to be judged as the most beautiful goddess,and from my standpoint, the golden apple was the symbol of their desire. To realize their desire,Hera pleased Pairs with wealth, Athena pleased him with victory and glory,while Aphrodite promised the most beautiful woman of the world,Helen,to him.As a shepherd without noble birth,I think it’s normal for Pairs to choose Helen because apart from being accompanied with a beautiful woman to live a happy and simple life,wealth,victory and glory were almost rubbish for a mortal. At that time,compared with three goddesses,Pairs was a simple guy without strong selfish desire,but never could he think of that goddesses’ desire made wreaked havoc of war and his fate and Troy’s fate would experience major turning due to his selection.At beginning,Pairs did not want to bring wars to his motherland and Greek city-states.He was so poor to be condemned as the culprit of the war and Troy’s subjugation.In the movie,the desire of Greek kings that expanded their territory was also the origin of the war--it was unreasonable to launch a war which unified all Greek city-states’ power only for retaking a woman and safeguarding the reputation of Greece.In the movie,when Menelaus was aware that he couldn’t kill his rival,Pairs,on account of the guard of god,so he stopped attack.Then the two men sat down together and had a talk about Helen and the war calmly--their final silence indicated their consensus that the war was actually meaningless and people should have not killed each other.Later Helen’s surrender could not stop the war,which also proved the main purpose of Greek armies was not Helen. As I see it,Pairs was innocent,and it was the desire of gods and kings brought people pain.Like many other western myths,strong request for humanism is also an important topic of the myth. It’s widely believed that the origin of humanism in western world lies in Greek culture.Humanism advocates personal freedom,equality and self value that are strongly expected to get by oppressed people. The myth can be perceived as a Greek condemnation on oppression and the strong request for humanism--people ought to dominate their own fate and their lives shouldn’t be toys of power.From the beginning to the end,gods made great difference.It’s unusual that the movie shows the power of gods indirectly--no god appeared in the battlefield but their power existed.It’s easy to find that people were unable to resist the wish of god and the duels between two heroes were interfered by gods’ power,which led to numerous amazing results.Beside,in my opinion,Princess Cassandra is a crazy,cold and poor figure whose spiritual world was dominated by gods--she clung to oracle that if Paris lives,Troy will be burnt,and she attempted to prevent the oracle coming true by a negative means--kill her brother.What she wanted to do was so cruel and in the meanwhile,her life was obsessed by the oracle,which led her life unhappy and full of scare.To be honest,the act of the actress exaggerates the image of Princess Cassandra,but it can immerse ourselves in ancient Greek’s fear to the gods and their prediction,how god’s power controlled people’s life and people’s strong request for humanism.Last but not least,the element of love will never absent in Greek myths.I find that love is the common nature of human,nymphs as well as gods in Greek myths,and love can’t be eliminated completely by no means.The first scene of the movie was the birth of Paris-- when Paris was born,his elder sister,Princess Cassandra,who had the power to see into the future told her father,the king of Troy,a dire prediction that if the baby boy lives,Troy will be burnt.Thus the king decided to abandon the little baby,at that moment,it was maternal love that prompted the queen of Troy to struggle to rise up to recapture her son,but she failed. Many years later,when the king and the queen realized that the guy on the sand of the colosseum was their abandoned son,they hugged their son and recognized him,forgetting the terrible oracle.The plot of the movie was adopted from the literature and added more details about sincere emotions of human.For example,when Paris limped after a desperate fight against Menelaus,Hector offered to take the place of his injured brother to challenge Agamemnon--this is love between brothers.No matter how cruel the war was,sincere emotions always existed.All in all,war is not the core theme of the myth or the movie.I believe concepts that worth pondering in the myth or the movie are abundant.
Sienna Guillory 是在是太美了,从第一个镜头她的出现,真的,这就是我梦中的helen,宛如仙女一般出现在眼前
现实与神话交杂,是这部电影的特色。
也是由于各国民俗的不同吧,加上环境、思维等等,这一切的不同,使人另眼相看他国的过去,仅此一点,慢慢地看完了这部电影。
每个人都不是坏人,每个人的想法都有其意义,于是历史在众人的推动下,继续向前,无法阻止。
战争太残酷了。
斯巴达那个能知道“神”的要求的大臣,长得很神化的。
特洛伊战争是荷马史诗的第一部,讲述了希腊人如何攻打特洛伊人的整个过程。
在里面诞生了两个史诗级的英雄,阿基琉斯和赫克托。
两个都是我很喜欢的人物。
但我认为在电影的前半段他们只能被称作勇士,在经历了内心重大选择的洗礼后他们才可以被称作真正意义的英雄。
首先,阿基琉斯在神话中是人和神之子,但是电影中没有像神话一样把他形容得像一个不死之身。
他在无敌的同时也是桀骜不驯的,但是拥有巨大力量的阿基琉斯却很迷茫,似乎他的存在只有征服和杀戮,他一直奉行的个人英雄主义背后却是满满的空虚。
而赫克托,是一个好儿子,一个好哥哥,一个好丈夫,他是一个好王子,他为了国家而战,为了所有国民而战,他没有退缩,承担了属于王子的那份责任。
但面对阿基琉斯的对决他也同样动摇过,看着妻子熟睡的侧脸和隆起的小腹,他也渴望自己能够陪伴在家人身边,谁不希望可以好好活着呢?
可悲壮的是他明知自己会输,也勇然为了自己的国家依然选择了一场赴死的战斗其中值得一提的是我被阿基里斯的伟大和深厚的英雄主义色彩震撼到的瞬间,并不是他以一敌百的时刻,也不是他为表弟复仇的怒火。
而是在木马屠城时,他最先想到的是拯救那个心爱的女祭司的生命。
在这时驱动他前进的并不是之前一直奉行的个人荣誉与尊严,而是爱。
也同样是爱带来的恐惧与脆弱,让他暴露了弱点和软肋,并最终为爱而死。
但也正是爱,让他人性的一面烨烨生辉,让那个所向披靡,整个希腊为之颤抖的战神留名万世,让后人都生活在阿基里斯的时代。
我喜欢希腊的勇士,喜欢他们的勇气,喜欢他们最求人的价值。
这是一个伟大的时代,也是一个英雄的时代。
而这部电影,告诉我们真正的英雄主义是可以怀揣着脆弱与恐惧前行的。
没有弱点的是神,而爱与信念才是让我们可以“明知不可为而为之”的第一驱动力。
美国眼中的希腊时代民主观念,带着消灭传说的实用主义,宣扬独立自由的明显倾向,可是这种诠释带着太多的理想化成分和意识形态的侵略心理,这是原本现实可见的事物变得像是完美的天堂,too good to believe,就是这个意思。
一部特洛伊,在100年间断断续续被搬上银幕,翻拍了六七回,一直拍到2004年。
足见美人倾城,是多么唐璜而永恒的借口,让这碗以爱情佐料的旧饭永不冷场。
电影涉足史诗,多以以小见大的手法切入,反正不可能用两三个小时把所有的事情说圆,不如各表一枝,无限放大,其他的就让它化成语焉不详的尘烟。
《Troy》如此,《Helen of Troy》也是如此。
我发现把这两部电影交替着看,才能拼凑出一个大致完整的特洛依。
主线一致,但各有侧重,互为补充。
齐心合力丰满了这场希腊神话中最宏伟的战争史诗。
有足够豪华的明星阵容和宏大战争场面的《Troy》,众神和爱情统统靠边,大概是因为皮特够大牌。
他扮演的阿喀琉斯头不大却比起任何一届都更有情有义,骁勇善战。
就连他的死期也被人尽其才的延长到了木马屠城之后。
所以它的遗憾正如阿喀琉斯的脚跟,微小却是致命的——特洛伊——这么波澜壮阔的名字,不是一两个英雄的战争就能但待得起的。
将近三个小时的《Helen of Troy》,始终以一种平静得近乎残酷的叙事方式,还原了那场超越了战争本身的爱情。
它是关于海伦的特洛伊,比十年的征战,这场爱情的浩劫更加残酷漫长,渗透并贯穿了她的一生。
要把“天下最美的女人”落实到电影里一个活生生的角色,委实众口难调。
所以关于海伦的美貌,是难以言述的形态。
既无关端庄,也不甚妖艳,却以人尽可夫的实用主义幸存到最后,也许才能满足所有人的胃口。
即便她是宙斯和丽达下的蛋,高贵血统和无与伦比的美貌也没能改变海伦的命运,她始终挣扎在女神们的自私和男人们的欲望之中,她的美貌在爱琴海迎风招展,爱情却在惊涛下撕成碎片。
在虚荣和贪婪面前,爱情不过是群雄挥舞的矛,诸神乱射的箭。
这大概也是我喜欢希腊神话的原因,在神灵面前,人类表现出来的抗争和无奈,背后都隐藏着无法逾越的巨大悲哀。
“What a man has to learn through suffering is not this or that particular thing, but the knowledge of the limitations of humanity, of the absoluteness of the barrier that separates him from the divine. It is ultimately a religious insight-that kind of insight which gave birth to Greek tragedy”电影海报:从电影海报就能看出这两部电影的侧重。
左幅是03版的《Helen of Troy》,右幅是04版的《Troy》。
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对于特洛伊木马的历史故事我不是很清楚,不过拍成这样,几乎一边倒的架势我觉得肯定是有问题的。男女主角除了爱情,似乎别的都不重要,一味冒险让家人陷于危险境地,不齿。。。阿喀琉斯基本上被妖魔化了~ 海伦的确很美,可惜这样一部一个一个全都死光,结局不知所谓的片子可惜了美女。。。
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这版的海伦和帕里斯都很好,阿喀琉斯被黑了。。。
剧情方面比《特洛伊》要好,起码这里海伦和帕里斯的感情洗白的让我可以接受。缺点是太言情了,重点都没抓住,只有最后一小半是在讲打仗。为毛大家都要浪费这么好的题材的,怎么就没有一个大佬振臂高呼,招揽人马用心的把特洛伊战争的战事此消彼长,风云动荡拍出来的?这里面人物故事都多丰富啊!
- Will you follow? - I follow
其实蛮无聊的,只是觉得那时候男人对女人很不尊重,全片没亮点
比布拉特皮特那部来得更写实
很讨厌女主角
这部里面的海伦比布拉德比特演的那部里面的海伦漂亮
海伦真美
原来小时候看的特洛伊并不是皮特版。。。。。
这才算是有点海伦的魅惑力
累……
女主角、男主角长得不怎么样嘛~~~失望!故事剧情拖沓,失望!反正看了三分之一,就没再继续看下去了…
改得Helen,Theseus,Menelaus,Paris都是追求爱情的痴情人,Agamemnon和利益权力是毁灭迫害他们的罪魁祸首,Achilles就是个恶毒的傻大个,Hector死得窝窝囊囊。神话背景也是不清不楚,要自行预习,其实就是剧组钱少。歌颂爱情的洗白版木马计。
大哥我就是喜欢
虽然是感觉山寨了一点,但是剧情方面非常令人surprised;虽然比起《特洛伊》来说是小制作,但是还真有闪光的地方,而《特洛伊》除了肌肉男、打斗和场面外,就基本没有其他东西了。当然,比起《这不是斯巴达》之于《斯巴达三百》来说,还是没有那么经典。
海伦不再是红颜祸水的物件。
阿喀琉斯……神啊,不带这样的TwT